😬 Podcast Mastery: How to prevent a conversational black hole

With the help of Rory Sutherland and Steven Bartlett

I'd love to be considered a world-class podcast guest one day and I’ve noticed that the ones who are, do something differently…

Never start a podcast with ‘thanks for having me.’

Most podcast hosts start their interviews by introducing the guest, reeling off all their accolades and finishing with:

💬 '[Name], welcome to the podcast!'
💬 '[Name], Thank you for being here.'
💬 '[Name], I'm so excited to finally have you on.'

Well intentioned? Yes.

But it’s a trap - one that forces us into a conversational black hole.

💬 'Thanks for having me!'
😬 [And then we wait for the first question]

Slow
Predictable
A bit awkward too.

Seasoned podcast guests know this, so they do something a little different and who better to demonstrate it than Rory Sutherland. Have a watch of this…🍿

Notice how he:

1. Acknowledged the welcome 🙏
2. Then added a bridge statement to get straight on topic 🧠 

‘It’s great to be here, it’s funny actually because I realised on the way here that…

But here is the real genius behind the approach:

  1. Your audience gets value faster 🎁
    So they're more likely to continue listening.

  2. You get to control the narrative ⚡️
    So your message will be landing peak listenership.

  3. You help the host warm up 🔥
    They get nervous too!

  4. You help the audience settle into the conversation 🎧
    The best podcasts don't feel like interviews

  5. You set the host up to go off piste 🧠
    And ask a better first question.

    [I appreciate inexperienced hosts may struggle with this but that's good practice for them too]!

Going into every podcast appearance armed with a clear idea of where you might take the conversation first, is a really smart strategy.

Alex

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